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A continuing issue of disagreement with S. McNallen By Heffe

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A continuing issue of disagreement with S. McNallen By Heffe

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Here is my view the McNallen article mentioned in the article "The shadow of Racism in American Heathenry", call it extreme or over the top, its how i see it. My issue is
not with his stance on illegal immigration but the way in which he presents it. Had it not been written with a tone of fearful xenephobia i probably would not have written the following.

A continuing issue of disagreement with Stephen McNallen By Jeff Singer

*Note: I feel as if this topic is applicable to Heathen boards due to the fact an influential voice in American Heathenry is authoring the articles mentioned below. I have made no personal attacks though i have listed a number of observations and speculations based upon what i have come to know. If i am incorrect in any way i kindly ask that you point it out. There is no doubt that what we see in these articles is a marriage of American politics with the form of Heathenry known as American Asatru. I feel as if a political stance associated with Heathenry is being presented as an all encompassing point of view by the articles listed below. Mr. McNallen might agree that he does not speak for the wider Heathen community but once his face is on television or his name in a newspaper the wider population will assume and accept that he is a spokesperson for our entire faith. I believe that all people calling themselves Heathens should be aware of his writings, works published by a Heathen author and community leader and interjected into the mainstream. We should be aware of what he is telling the wider world about us because, like It or not what he says is usually the information that is presented to outsiders about our faith. I have mentioned several times how much I do not care what the wider world thinks of Heathenism but some wars must be fought.*

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=8699

"A down and dirty breakdown of the 'browning of America'" By Stephen McNallen


Before I begin I must first state my own stance on illegal immigration: Its bad, and it sucks. I don't care what country you come from, I don't care what the reason might be,I do not care what color you are. A Congolese immigrant without legal status pisses me off just as much as an Irish or a Russian immigrant without legal status.

While reading an excellent article known as "The Shadow of Racism in American Heathenry (Or, Why American Heathens Can’t Have Nice Things)" By Solarsublimity, (You may have seen it posted in the last days or so, its how i found it.) I came across another article by Stephen McNallen (The other being"Wotan vs. Tezcatlipoca The Spiritual War for California and the Southwest." By Stephen A. McNallen, link below.) detailing the overt and planned cultural invasion of the United States by none other than those dastardly Mexicans! First Poncho Villa, then George Lopez (The George Lopez show only furthers the stereo type that George Lopez is funny.) and now this!

The famed Mr. McNallen begins his article like this:

"A down and dirty breakdown of the 'browning of America'" By Stephen McNallen

Holy Cow! Red flag! When you are the leader of an organization that is very vocal about its Non-racist ideals it is generally not a good idea to title articles with such inflammatory words. If anyone had any belief that this would be an academic and scholarly work that sourced its material and cited credible information they might at this point say, "uhhhh....". It instantly provokes thoughts of racism, "The browning of America." We are all aware that the majority of illegal immigration comes from Latin America but when you fight illegal immigration you are not allowed to pick one group of immigrants, you must oppose them all, to pick one is certainly unfair and that is what his articles seem to do. It is as if the title sets the atmosphere for the rest of the article, and it does...Oh wait...that is what titles do.

"1. America has changed."

Yes it sure has, $5 foot longs, Jersey Shore and The Bieb, such a far cry from things like Apple pie, Baseball and small, quaint towns like Mayberry, NC where the picket fences are as White as the people.....ahhhhh, the good ol' days. Before all that stuff the great Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina warned us about.....If you haven't noticed i am being sarcastic. It is changing much as it did when the Natives first entered this land and it is changing just like it did when the Europeans pushed the Natives aside. The leaves fall and the sun shines but the ground below always shifts and changes with the times. Every people, every super power has its time in the sun and nothing lasts forever and one day Europeans will no longer be the dominate demographic in the United States and i ask why this really matters, so long as democracy and the truths believed to be self-evident by our founding fathers remain intact then there is no fear to be had. If the people of the United States recognized themselves first as Americans and last as German-Americans and Mexican-Americans ect. and worked toward the common good then a changing racial demographic should cause no worry, unless of course you fear losing power and gaining neighborhoods full of Mexicans.

"Notice, I didn’t use the oft-repeated phrase, “the face of America is changing.” America is not just “changing.” America has changed. It has changed so much that it is not the same country we knew even ten years ago. To say that “America is changing” gives us wriggle-room to sidestep the truth.""

No, it is not the same country as it was 10 years ago, to begin with Bush was "elected" once and then elected again. It is also not the same country it was thirty years ago and in fact The US three decades ago is nothing like it was ten years ago, because Nations evolve and *GASP* change!

"Just a few decades ago, this country was 90% white. In fewer than 50 years it will be 50% white. By the end of this century, European Americans will be between 30% and 10% of the American population. Apparently we are supposed to welcome this news, even though it means that our political and cultural clout will evaporate to a thin wisp of what it is today. European Americans face minority status, then marginalization, and eventually extinction."

I always feel as if these kinds of excerpts from articles detailing the dwindling population of whites are trying to present the idea that the physical number of Europeans is actually dropping when it is not and even if it is not what the author intends most people will assume this is what it means. 90% White (I assume he means European or Caucasian) a few decades ago, in 50 years it will be 50% White ect. Maybe true, but the actual population itself is not dropping. What is possibly dropping is the size of our slice on the pie chart, the comparison of how many Europeans to Hispanics or what have you. This does not in any way indicate that any sort of ethnic extinction will occur only that the demographic is changing.

Ah, hell, i guess its time for our turn on the merry-go-round of total and complete destruction, been nice knowing you guys, sure was great being White, ah well...

"White folks, shake hands with the Ainu."

Not even close, not even by a mile. I cannot believe this comparison was made.

2. The changes now underway will not stop of their own accord.

"The replacement of the European American population has happened for several reasons. Democrats want illegal immigrants because they traditionally support the Democratic Party. Republicans and big business want illegal immigrants because they are cheap labor. Everyone wants an inexpensive nanny or gardener or computer programmer, and no one wants to risk being called a “racist.”"

While i fully believe in my right to exist in this land regardless of the history of this nation i have to once again mention the Native American population.

Mr. McNallen continues to preach about the replacement of European Americans as the majority and the unjust nature of such things, yet he makes not one mention of the people who came before the Europeans, native American peoples who quickly after first contact with European settlers began to be slowly and surely stamped out. A culture, alien and foreign began to change the land they had lived on and Mr. McNallen is, essentially, talking about the same thing, an alien and foreign culture invading and replacing the indigenous population through deliberate immigration and over settlement. Where are the tears and the cries of anguish for them and concern for their right to exist? Am i saying European Americans deserve what is *allegedly* happening because of actions taken against the American Indian? No. What i am saying is this: His view is hypocritical (Especially if you believe that the actions of your ancestors reflect upon you.) and he speaks as if He and European descended peoples in the Americas have an innate right to be the dominate force on the continent. He makes no mention of actions perpetrated by our nation against the Natives even though it was far more violent and dastardly. Does he have a stance on this issue? If so i would like to hear it. A null and void topic? I think not.

"Projections issued by the Mexican government state flatly that illegal immigration to the US will continue for another fifty years, regardless of the economic situation in either country. Polls indicate that about 58% of Mexicans feels that the southwestern states of the United States legally belong to Mexico, and an almost identical percent thinks they should be able to come and go across the border at will, without hindrance."

Sources please...

3. No one asked us if we wanted America changed.

Well guess what, your not the only one who gets a say. America has changed in far worse ways, like predatory banks and homophobic republicans caught screwing men in bathroom stalls. I suppose one could have sat on the border with a rifle and jug of moonshine...

"The country we knew has been destroyed, and another one is being put in its place, without our consent and without our awareness of what is really happening."

Destroyed? Yeah, America crumbled a long time ago and the Mexicans were probably at the bottom of the list when it comes to reasons why. Who's consent? Does he mean Americans of any ethnic background or whites? Because if he means Whites (He does) that would seem to suggest that in his view Whites are those with whom the important choices lay and they are the determining factor in decision making. It suggests he thinks nothing should happen without a White consensus, at least that is how it appears to me.

4. Illegal immigration on the present scale is a form of conquest.

*Facepalm*

"Today we are witnessing a new method of takeover. The formula is simple: Infiltrate an area with large numbers of illegals with strong ties to their home country. Encourage each new immigrant, legal or otherwise, to bring in his or her extended family. Obtain the diplomatic and political support of the sending country - in this case, Mexico. Build a network of nonprofit organizations with money from liberal foundations and government grants. Interlock the nonprofits and local political entities to form a comprehensive alternative governmental structure. Maintain racial and cultural solidarity while driving out competing races and cultures - one neighborhood, one town, one county at a time. If anyone objects, accuse them of “racism.”"

Odin on an Oroweat bun, that is just astounding. Not only is illegal immigration by Hispanics causing the number of whites to dwindle and lose influence, it is a full blown and organized invasion! Please give me a source for this information that does not come from a small, right-wing radical Mexican Nationalist movement no one has ever heard of. Please prove to me that the influx of illegal immigrants is not the economically oppressed seeking a better life in a wealthier nation but a concerted effort by the Mexican people and government to conquer the United States through cultural warfare. I will eat a pair of rotten socks if you can do so. This kind of stuff would fit nice and snug into any group supporting National Socialism, tell me you would not expect to see this at Storm-front.

"It is working. Or rather, it has already worked over vast regions of what is still technically the American Southwest."

Hispanics have lived in the SW for a long time and a lot of them, its nothing new.

"5. We must stop, and reverse, this flood of humanity into America." culture and ethnicity, something alien

"What must be done?"

"First, the border must be secured. Contrary to liberal opinion, this can be done. I will not analyze the mechanics of this task, but a brainstormed list of options would include diplomatic punishment of Mexico for its role in encouraging migration, sanctions against employers of illegal aliens to include mandatory prison time, a physical wall (built by illegal aliens from our prison system), high-tech surveillance devices, and imprisonment with hard labor for individuals violating our territorial sovereignty. Until we are willing to take these measures, we are not serious about closing the border."

Is that slave labor your talking about? Slaves of a different ethnic make up. Am i being to extreme? Not really, i mean what else would we call it? Slaves building walls, such a common theme throughout history. In my personal opinion inmate workers are nothing more than forced labor, even if they are paid 40 cents a day. (Which in my opinion is a cozy little way of saying, "They have a wage, so its not slavery.") If i am not mistaken one of the battle-cries of the anti-immigration platform is "They took our Jobs!" and "Herp a derb!" (Any South Park fans?) and yet Mr. McNallen suggests using illegal immigrants as a labor force for construction of a border wall, gee, i wonder if some American masons and construction firms might prefer that sweet little gig themselves...Good idea Mr. McNallen!

"Third, all illegal aliens must be deported and denied legal entry at any time in the future. Because of the logistical complexities involved, deportation could take the form of a “phased withdrawal,” just as troops are pulled out of a war zone when a peace treaty is concluded. This mass deportation should be carried out as humanely as possible, but it absolutely must be done."

Mass deportation, yeah how else would you do it? When i envision it i see a large number of people with no legal right to be here being sent home. I can imagine others envisioning large numbers of people with a different culture and ethnicity, something alien being shipped away, and a sigh of absolute relief and a quick, "Thank, god(s) we dodged that bullet."

"The EAIF can play a part in this. Our tasks include giving European Americans a sense that we, too, are a community - a people! - and a burning conviction that we have a right to exist. Until that is done, nothing much is possible.

All the more reason to begin at once!"

Unsettling and the two articles i have cited here are far from politically correct and in many cases untrue.

I do not think anyone is restricting the right for European Americans to exist, i do not think anyone is failing to recognize us as a people or a community. I am pretty sure European Americans have a sense of community, i can endlessly list cultural organizations that celebrate all kinds of European culture, my Aunt attends yearly an event for people who's ancestors come from a particular part of Germany.

To wrap it up here Mr. McNallen's very firm stance on illegal immigration about which he is very vocal is rather unsettling and the two articles i have cited here are far from politically correct and in many cases untrue. Opinions and articles likes this, written and published in the name of European culture and Heathenism are giving the world a negative view of what Heathenism is. The last example i will leave you with is to be found just below.

Mr. McNallen seems to oppose the the celebration of other cultures within his home state:

http://www.runestone.org/about-asatru/a ... hwest.html

From Wotan Vs Tezcatlipoca

"This is not the first time that Meso-American deities have been mentioned in connection with the California social and political scene. Readers of The Runestone will remember the controversy over the statue of Qetzalcoatl erected in downtown San Jose a few years back. Local Christian groups protested, but demographics and culture made it politically impossible to stop this expression of Chicano nationalism and religion."

Given the atmosphere of "A down and dirty breakdown of the 'browning of America'" and "Wotan vs. Tezcatlipoca The Spiritual War for California and the Southwest." By Stephen A. McNallen i would hardly say he is a fan of Hispanic culture and it certainly does appear as if he does not wish expressions of said culture to be on public display and yet i feel as if Mr. McNallen wouldn't mind to much if a statue of Arminius or Lief Eriksson were to be erected in a public square. Apparently European Americans should be able to express all the European culture and nationalism they wish, but no one else.

I live in a city and a State with a massive Hispanic population and i see plenty of Whites, they are here, their culture is obvious and easily observed and there seems to be no wider issue of Whites in Hillsboro being reduced in number or being politically subjugated by Hispanics.

He certainly has a right to express his opinion as do we all but opinions are open to criticism and one must be graceful in presenting their opinion, Mr. McNallen was not. He chose to write In a style that presented, in my opinion, a view of cultural and racial dominance. It conveyed a sense of an inherent right to something that was originally someone else's and it seemed to promote the idea that Hispanic culture in the form of non offensive art is a symbol of conquest and hostile foreign nationalism.

When you wish to write and be read it is often a good idea to write in a politically correct manner.

For example

A title like "A down and dirty breakdown of the browning of America" is very likely to appear to potential readers as the writing of a suprmecist where as "The latinization of America: A comprehensive look into our changing times." or something would appear much more fact oriented, Unbiased and a lot less fearful and would probably result in a much larger audience allowing your opinion to reach a wider array of society.

The way you choose to speak or write defines how others will see you. Maybe using a little political sensitivity can be a good thing.
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thats a long text :O i had to roll the mousewheel THREE times lol - goodluck if you think someone's gonna read that - and RESPECT if you just did :-D - I didn't obviously... I just "overheared" a rumour on a "racist heathen list of Bucci" lol - and it might be in here...... So, what happens if you're on it? and indeed - the last line I now read:

Social Media + Heathenry = Eternal Circle jerk

yup - I might agree with that - but ALL social media things are circle jerks within their own genre ... :) have a nice evening - I did my contribution :D

I might be racist by the way :O - I dont like people, especially homosapiens - I only like neanderthalers :(... So I have no friends.
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I'm going to say that he was way out of line by the leader of a Asatru group. I hope not everyone agrees with him. The Bieber (and I'm not sorry if I misspell his name), he can go somewhere.
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