Monotheists and Atheists are put off by any mention of gods. Some have prenotions that cause them to stonewall or worse become aggressive, this creates an us vs. them situation. When I refer to the gods I call them the Aesir or ancestors. I have never had to prove the existence of my ancestors or explain that there was a people living in Europe prior to the Roman Empire. This is common knowledge.
Furthermore, all the Heathen groups have oaths to which state one or more things I don't agree with. Those things all have to do with the "reconstruction" aspect. Why reconstruct? Take what is important and apply.
Heathenism has always been about being inclusive, but attempting to recreate rituals or stuff from the far past in places away from the public's eye is not being inclusive.
I am in no way attempting to desacralize Heathenism. Heathenism has a true place in the modern world, but I feel like I'm the only one who wants to honor my ancestors in a modern way.
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I do not refer to the Aesir as Gods, what's your take.
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Re: I do not refer to the Aesir as Gods, what's your take.
You make a truly interesting point.
"When I refer to the gods I call them the Aesir or ancestors. I have never had to prove the existence of my ancestors or explain that there was a people living in Europe prior to the Roman Empire." This is a fascinating and unusual way of viewing the Æsir. It makes total sense, though, and appears to be a valuable method of reference, association, and explanation.
There are plenty of heathens who are interested in modernising the religion ("German neopaganism" is not uncommon in phrase). As richly authentic as it might feel, most heathens don't live (or want to live) in earthen homes, forgo automobiles, or leave offerings of horse meat and wine to the Æsir. There is absolutely a place in the modern world for heathenry; however, there is also something to be said for people wanting to return to the old ways--it's their way of expressing their beliefs. Perhaps it will be necessary for you to be the change which you wish to see in the community.
Also, a question: is there a collective word for all of the Norse gods? The Æsir seems very specific to me, but perhaps I'm over-complicating things.
"When I refer to the gods I call them the Aesir or ancestors. I have never had to prove the existence of my ancestors or explain that there was a people living in Europe prior to the Roman Empire." This is a fascinating and unusual way of viewing the Æsir. It makes total sense, though, and appears to be a valuable method of reference, association, and explanation.
There are plenty of heathens who are interested in modernising the religion ("German neopaganism" is not uncommon in phrase). As richly authentic as it might feel, most heathens don't live (or want to live) in earthen homes, forgo automobiles, or leave offerings of horse meat and wine to the Æsir. There is absolutely a place in the modern world for heathenry; however, there is also something to be said for people wanting to return to the old ways--it's their way of expressing their beliefs. Perhaps it will be necessary for you to be the change which you wish to see in the community.
Also, a question: is there a collective word for all of the Norse gods? The Æsir seems very specific to me, but perhaps I'm over-complicating things.
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Wolves celestial eyes appear from mist afar,
As you cloth them in rosy golds and reds."
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Re: I do not refer to the Aesir as Gods, what's your take.
Because reconstruction provides us with a solid foundation for our belief system.Why reconstruct? Take what is important and apply.
The former is debatable, the latter is inaccurate. Reconstructionism isn't reenactment. And those who prefer using rituals based on the past rituals don't seem very exclusive to me. I don't see how a ritual whether old or new has anything to do with exclusivity at all.Heathenism has always been about being inclusive, but attempting to recreate rituals or stuff from the far past in places away from the public's eye is not being inclusive.
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Re: I do not refer to the Aesir as Gods, what's your take.
Æsir just means gods. I know some like to separate them into Æsir and Vanir, but linguistically Áss means "a god" and Æsir is the plural of that.Waya Adanvdo wrote: Also, a question: is there a collective word for all of the Norse gods? The Æsir seems very specific to me, but perhaps I'm over-complicating things.
wikitionary entry for Áss